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Originally posted by lo bux racer@Oct 7 2005, 08:56 AM
Don't do it. Ask Steve Dinan or Reg Riemer why not, they're both very well known tuners (know way more than I do). Wait for ATI, Fluidamper, or TCI to develop a proper torsional vibration damper. Removing the OEM piece could have very detrimental consequences especially since we have a chain driven oil pump.
i was thinking something along those lines when i saw the ad for the unorthodox racing pulley. glad to know that, while i didnt know what i was thinking exactly, i was thinking around the same lines. dont get me wrong, i am a fan of reducing the rotating mass, but i would insist on it being done with the proper parts. hence, i run the fidanza flywheel for now, and will wait for the proper damper.

i like oil circulating through my engine.
 

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man, thats just gonna go to his head now.



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Originally posted by lo bux racer@Oct 9 2005, 02:54 PM
Start here. Then click here. Then click here for information directly from Toyota, the guys who designed your car and engine.

Shawn Baumgartner (owner of Unorthodox Racing) will NEVER tell you there is any danger to his product. I have argued with him in the past about this, he is an idiot. He also will not pay for your engine repairs, he only warrants his crank pulley for manufacturing defects. He does NOT warrant any incidental or consequential damages, and has not paid any claims for damage attributed to his product because his warranty is very specific.

Ask Guillermo Polo, Michael Gaari, Lance at Toyomoto in Miami, and a host of other Supra owners what happens when you remove your harmonic damper and replace it with a UR pulley. Flexplate bolts back out. Crank position wheels break and rotate so the engine either won't start at all, or will fail intermittently while driving. Rod and main bearings show unusual wear patterns. And a host of other wonderful things.

I realize you don't understand the physics. Here's what I can tell you for sure: your oil pump is chain driven. Chains do not like shock loads. Removing the damper increases the shock loading on both the oil pump chain and the cam chain. One (or both) will break prematurely. If they were belt driven, it would be no issue, but they are not belt driven, so they will likely be the first casualties from removing the damper.

The flywheel change has NO negative effects. Zip. Zero. Nada. Nil. It will not void your warranty, but I guarantee you, the UR pulley will because Toyota will show up in court with the same documentation I've linked here and you'll be screwed. It is a BAD mod, and should not be recommended by any reputable engine builder. NO domestic engine builder would ever recommend removing a torsional damper and replacing it with a solid pulley. They know all too well what will happen to a cast crank without a damper: it will break, without any doubt. This is why Fluidamper, ATI, and TCI have a booming business with domestic engines. It is not only bad physics, but it is also bad business to replace a damper with a solid pulley.
now, how are you going to ask our opinions in the same thread we already gave them in? the mfg doesnt change much from one to the other.
 

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thats okay, depending on what kind of a person he is, he may not even care.
 

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^^^ um, are those supposed to be words of wisdom? f#ck man, i could run a 100 shot of nitrous into my supercharged tC and it will make me faster. doesnt mean its a good idea.
 

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The failure of the bridge occurred when a never-before-seen twisting mode occurred. This is called a torsional, rather than longitudinal, mode (see also torque) whereby when the left side of the roadway went down, the right side would rise, and vice-versa, with the centerline of the road remaining still. Specifically, it was the second torsional mode, in which the midpoint of the bridge remained motionless while the two halves of the bridge twisted in opposite directions. A physics professor proved this point by walking along the centre line, unaffected by the flapping of the roadway rising and falling to each side. This vibration was due to aeroelastic flutter. Flutter occurs when a torsional disturbance in the structure increases the angle of attack of the bridge (that is, the angle between the wind and the bridge). The structure responds by twisting further. Eventually, the angle of attack increases to the point of stall, and the bridge begins to twist in the opposite direction. In the case of the Tacoma Narrows bridge, this mode was negatively damped (or had positive feedback), meaning it increased in amplitude with each cycle because the wind pumped in more energy than the flexing of the structure dissipated. Eventually, the amplitude of the motion increased beyond the strength of a vital part, in this case the suspender cables. Once several cables failed, the weight of the deck transferred to the adjacent cables which broke in turn until almost all of the central deck fell into the water.
whatchu know 'bout torsion?
 

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Originally posted by Zygote55@Aug 1 2006, 08:30 AM
Note to HTown: Read this thread over and over again until you understand what happened to that engine.
nah, its better for him to live in ignorance.
 

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Originally posted by toyota_scion_tc@Aug 9 2006, 08:20 PM
I have the ZPI Racing V2 Crank Pulley and love it. I have 27,000 miles on it with no issues. And for those who say you will see problems I agree with you a little bit but not on the tc. The reason you will have problems is because the pulley is a harmonic balancer but our cars have counter balance shafts so its not an issue. If you have a car without balance shafts then yes you will have problems.
oh goody, another shaw afb guy. pardon me while i ignore just about everything you have to say after reading your post.

again, anyone who thinks 29K miles on a single engine is good enough for R&D should be banned from ever claiming they know anything about engines.
 

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Originally posted by toyota_scion_tc+Aug 10 2006, 05:02 AM-->QUOTE (toyota_scion_tc @ Aug 10 2006, 05:02 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 11:19 PM
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@Aug 9 2006, 08:20 PM
I have the ZPI Racing V2 Crank Pulley and love it. I have 27,000 miles on it with no issues. And for those who say you will see problems I agree with you a little bit but not on the tc. The reason you will have problems is because the pulley is a harmonic balancer  but our cars have counter balance shafts so its not an issue. If you have a car without balance shafts then yes you will have problems.

oh goody, another shaw afb guy. pardon me while i ignore just about everything you have to say after reading your post.

again, anyone who thinks 29K miles on a single engine is good enough for R&D should be banned from ever claiming they know anything about engines.
Listen here you wanna be prick! I have been an automotive technician for 9 years now. What do you do bag groceries at the flea market! [/b]
C/L. another tag to add to the list. wannabe grocery bagging, racist, ricer, emo goth flea market employee.

i just keep expanding my description. how lucky am i.

oh, yeah, i forgot "prick." i am one of those, too.

but, i will take all that if it means i dont have to be clueless about engine theory. you, on the other hand, seem to be happy to be clueless. and a prick.

again says i, no one worth their salt would recommend this mod. or try to say that 30K miles is sufficient to test an engine part and declare it safe. 9 years? you need to go back to school, son.
 

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Originally posted by Indemnity83+Aug 10 2006, 01:02 PM-->QUOTE (Indemnity83 @ Aug 10 2006, 01:02 PM)
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IGod!  Your like what... the same age as Lo right?


Lo Bux Racer
iGod (only pic I have) [/b]
wow, that is a great pic of me.


lance and i are a dozen years apart or so. he just looks like he is in his thirties. i actually am.

on topic - i was going to lock this thread because it seems mostly useless, then engifineer and tctech got this back on to an intelligent discussion. good job, guys. thanks.
 

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C/L. so much for your used to be a toyota mechanic guy. hell, i work with a whole shop full of 15+ years on the job MDT's for toyota, and most of them are backyard mechanics as well, building cars for 30 years. my lead tech, and my shop foreman backed up our feelings on this part. in fact, some ridiculous looking, slang spewing 19yo "tuner" came into my shop the other day and asked about the tC. we spoke of engine mods. the pulley swap came up. he said, "please tell me they are using a dampened pulley." i said, "no, they are not."
19 and he knows what is up. and like we have said before - just because it doesnt f#ck you up every time doesnt mean it is safe.
just ask steve irwin.
 

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what does the general public think of renaming this topic "Crank Pulley Info" and making it a sticky?
 

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Originally posted by engifineer@Oct 21 2006, 12:17 PM
As lo bux mentioned, dynojets are very innacurate... But hey, accurate doesnt sell mods does it?
no doubt. same argument we have had for intakes. too bad the masses refuse to listen.
 

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Originally posted by PhamKL@Oct 22 2006, 10:09 AM
I'm totally up for having this as a sticky!

Err, also I think Lance's big post should be at the top and maybe that one guy at the beginning (just to give it context.) Those three links are probably enough... assuming people who want pulleys are going to read them.
i have an idea. i will try to get it done tomorrow. if i dont, remind me.
and yes, it will be obvious.
 

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okay, there is now a pinned topic in this forum. have at it up there, too, boys.

crank pulleys are bad, m'kay?
 
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