Well i've seen a few videos around the internet that show a stock 02SI getting beat by an 05 stock TC. I've also seen videos of the TC beating other cars such as accords, maxda 3's, VW's, and others. The TC is pretty fast and can be made faster with a few mods. Personally, i've beaten a few maxda 3's, jettas, mini's, rsx's, maximas, srt-4's and Chevy SS sport trucks that have 400+ hp and torque (but it seemed slow) out on the streets. Im amazed with the TC's speed. I do have an Intake, sports exhaust system, and a few more goodies that are secrets but even stock, the tc is fast and can hang, if not beat most stock cars in its class like the civics, base rsx's, neons, accords, jettas, Subaru 2.5 RS Impreza, etc. Pz out.