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i want to make an all motor scion. i dont wanna hear everybody to tell me to go turbo or supercharger. i wanna know what i gotta do to make a all motor tc fast??
naturally aspirated
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QUOTE (Reaper @ Jun 14 2009, 08:47 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=473249
and dont forget your standalone, intake, and exhaust!
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If that is what you want I say go for it but realize it will cost a lot more and will be less power. Here is a list of what I would do if I were staying N/A:
BC stroker kit 11.5:1 CR pistons
92 mm sleeves
Stage II or Stage III cams
Port and polish head
3 angle valve job
port matched
upgraded valves, valve springs, and retainers
Header
intake
full exhaust
standalone
a little larger injectors
locking differential
a lot of other things but this would get you started and should easily be over 210 at the wheels with these mods done right and tuned
BC stroker kit 11.5:1 CR pistons
92 mm sleeves
Stage II or Stage III cams
Port and polish head
3 angle valve job
port matched
upgraded valves, valve springs, and retainers
Header
intake
full exhaust
standalone
a little larger injectors
locking differential
a lot of other things but this would get you started and should easily be over 210 at the wheels with these mods done right and tuned
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Not worth the time nor money. But good luck.
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QUOTE (bluesciontc @ Jun 14 2009, 10:09 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=473259
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QUOTE (w00t69 @ Jun 17 2009, 04:39 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=473630
but it loves boost! turbo it and tune it right and youll be more than satisfied for half the price.
but it loves boost! turbo it and tune it right and youll be more than satisfied for half the price.
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should have got a different car man, like a civic and drop a k20 in it
QUOTE (SoCal Tc @ Jun 18 2009, 11:30 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=473954
My tuner has a 93 hatch with a k24. He runs in the all motor fwd class. He runs a high 10sec 1/4 mile. Nasty n/a car
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lol, that made me laugh, i had to comment
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ok this #### is gay. i have to comment on the sad state of scion fans.
a turbo is not a kill all option, and the fact is that you can make any engine
more efficient to extremes by doing your god damned homework, most if not all
of the god damned monkeys on this site talk big talk about horespower and torque.
and most of them barely understand how to change a starter let alone do massive
work or tuning on their cars. by changing the head not just port and polishing but
changing the compression ratio, connecting rods and pistons out to handle the new
combustion setup its possible to add a good/ if not massive amount of horsepower.
but after that fact you may not be able to turbo the engine because you might
blow the head up due to it being aluminum. basically the forced induction with
too high compression ratio makes for a very explosive situation.
thats one example of a trade off but since no one here has tried it you cant say
its not possible.
one of the things that drives me nuts it we have newer cars so experimentation
isn't cheap, so for instance parts or engines don't come a dime a dozen like honda's do.
so its only time until that happens, and we figure out whats good and whats not good.
but if you all sit there and #### on some guy for wanting to try it than by all means
shoot yourselves down and make scion owners look like pussies who cant handle
a wrench.
i dont mean to point it out but there are few scion owners willing to push the 2AZ-FE I4
to its limits. and Very few have tried, so realistically if all you can say is go turbo?
than by all means go work for a muffler shop. since frankly it sounds like you don't
understand dick.
a turbo is not a kill all option, and the fact is that you can make any engine
more efficient to extremes by doing your god damned homework, most if not all
of the god damned monkeys on this site talk big talk about horespower and torque.
and most of them barely understand how to change a starter let alone do massive
work or tuning on their cars. by changing the head not just port and polishing but
changing the compression ratio, connecting rods and pistons out to handle the new
combustion setup its possible to add a good/ if not massive amount of horsepower.
but after that fact you may not be able to turbo the engine because you might
blow the head up due to it being aluminum. basically the forced induction with
too high compression ratio makes for a very explosive situation.
thats one example of a trade off but since no one here has tried it you cant say
its not possible.
one of the things that drives me nuts it we have newer cars so experimentation
isn't cheap, so for instance parts or engines don't come a dime a dozen like honda's do.
so its only time until that happens, and we figure out whats good and whats not good.
but if you all sit there and #### on some guy for wanting to try it than by all means
shoot yourselves down and make scion owners look like pussies who cant handle
a wrench.
i dont mean to point it out but there are few scion owners willing to push the 2AZ-FE I4
to its limits. and Very few have tried, so realistically if all you can say is go turbo?
than by all means go work for a muffler shop. since frankly it sounds like you don't
understand dick.
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Sounds like some kid needs a nap. Calm down and pull your panties outta your crack. No one was trashing on him.. they simply stated the more cost efficient option.
I would be all for an NA build, but I DO know enough to know it will be MUCH more expensive and you wont gain those "massive amounts" of hp from the work you suggest. I fully believe you can get into the mid 200's , maybe a bit higher with destroking, a lot of head work, custom cams, fully custom IHE, tuning, re-sleeving and boring it out a tad (you can only go a little bit, even with sleeving) the right compression, etc. but if you notice, that is a LOT of dough and not for a ton of power. If I had the spare car and cash... + time would I do it? Probably. Mainly to see what I could do with this motor and to work more on the area under the curve, smooth power delivery, etc rather than peak hp. Would I like to be proven wrong by that guy that pulled 300+ outta his arse on an NA build? Sure I would, but I tend to think more realistically about these things rather than having the pipe dream that I will run out and make a 400 HP NA beast out of it like many do. But we have to clarify to most that if they think they are going to do some bolt on NA work and get a power monster, they will be sadly dissapointed. It is going to take considerable work, considerable money and a lot of custom made parts to do so. So people are correct in that this is not an NA build friendly motor. Sure, part of that is due to lack of aftermarket support.. but that doesnt change the fact for most, who are not willing to shell out the dough on their own for the R&D involved.
You have a whopping 11 posts (under this username anyways.... ) on this forum alienvictim, and come in with guns blazing accusing everyone of knowing nothing. Sounds to me like you are trying your best to come in talking down on people and showing off what you "know". In actuality you are showing yourself to be a tool and nothing more. You apparently have some beef with this forum (maybe banned under other usernames in the past?) and feel the need to come in and run your mouth. Why dont you show all of us idiots how its done then and build your NA beast rather than just talking crap on a forum?
I would be all for an NA build, but I DO know enough to know it will be MUCH more expensive and you wont gain those "massive amounts" of hp from the work you suggest. I fully believe you can get into the mid 200's , maybe a bit higher with destroking, a lot of head work, custom cams, fully custom IHE, tuning, re-sleeving and boring it out a tad (you can only go a little bit, even with sleeving) the right compression, etc. but if you notice, that is a LOT of dough and not for a ton of power. If I had the spare car and cash... + time would I do it? Probably. Mainly to see what I could do with this motor and to work more on the area under the curve, smooth power delivery, etc rather than peak hp. Would I like to be proven wrong by that guy that pulled 300+ outta his arse on an NA build? Sure I would, but I tend to think more realistically about these things rather than having the pipe dream that I will run out and make a 400 HP NA beast out of it like many do. But we have to clarify to most that if they think they are going to do some bolt on NA work and get a power monster, they will be sadly dissapointed. It is going to take considerable work, considerable money and a lot of custom made parts to do so. So people are correct in that this is not an NA build friendly motor. Sure, part of that is due to lack of aftermarket support.. but that doesnt change the fact for most, who are not willing to shell out the dough on their own for the R&D involved.
You have a whopping 11 posts (under this username anyways.... ) on this forum alienvictim, and come in with guns blazing accusing everyone of knowing nothing. Sounds to me like you are trying your best to come in talking down on people and showing off what you "know". In actuality you are showing yourself to be a tool and nothing more. You apparently have some beef with this forum (maybe banned under other usernames in the past?) and feel the need to come in and run your mouth. Why dont you show all of us idiots how its done then and build your NA beast rather than just talking crap on a forum?
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I guess I dont know how to turn a wrench at all (Ex F-16 Crew Chief). I mean I went turbo what fun is that right? I mean I only R&D everything on MY DAILY DRIVER and was one of the first to turbo a tC, but that makes me a *****. Oh wait I didnt even use a kit I made it ALL CUSTOM. But no body on this forum (including me) doesnt know anything about pushing this motor to its limits I mean we all know I deff don't right guys???
Comon man go drain your drool tray for a moment and think of what your talking about. WE OWN 4 CYLINDERS you really arent going to get jack out of this motor at all. Also you think no one has made an N/A motor tC ummm look at leslie Armendariz a PROFESSIONAL drag racer who drives a N/A tC on NITRO METH. Yea it runs 9's but guess what SHE IS A FACTORY BACKED FULL OUT SPONSORED RACE TEAM!!!!!!
This is what it takes to make a tC a fast N/A car.
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Comon man go drain your drool tray for a moment and think of what your talking about. WE OWN 4 CYLINDERS you really arent going to get jack out of this motor at all. Also you think no one has made an N/A motor tC ummm look at leslie Armendariz a PROFESSIONAL drag racer who drives a N/A tC on NITRO METH. Yea it runs 9's but guess what SHE IS A FACTORY BACKED FULL OUT SPONSORED RACE TEAM!!!!!!
This is what it takes to make a tC a fast N/A car.
Hear me out Super charger plus some N/A stuff i seen people do it in person even performance shops told me it works and ive seen people get like 380 hp on stock 2AZ ngl if homeboy wants more hp after he N/A it i would say trd but idk what can be done for sure talk to a performamce shop just ask questions whats the worst that can happen
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