Insane Toyota sleepers

Originally posted by AlmosN8kd@Jan 25 2006, 06:39 PM
1000HP at the crank or the wheels? Not to sound skeptical, but I find it a bit hard to belive that much power is coming out of a 2.0L economy designed engine; that's 250Hp per cylinder which is quite insane. Guys haven't broken the 1000HP at the wheels for my platform (3.0L performance designed engine) yet but they are getting very close (up to nearly 900 HP at the wheels by Ray Pampena in Long Island, NY; there is approximately a 25% drivetrain loss for my vehicle type). I don't know, perhaps it's because the Toyota engines were more widely use and have much more aftermarket support that will allow them to build that much power. Or, it's from a crazy large turbo that doesn't spool until 4k. Either way, if it's real then it is very significant.

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The 3S-GTE is Toyota's "racing" engine, it was never installed in an economy car. Ever. It comes in a few flavors, some of which are not commonly available. Garden varieties are well known to make between 500 and 600 hp with the right turbo and internals.

If you don't know how to make 1000 hp with 2 liters, you're behind. F1 was doing 1500 hp out of 1.5 liters in the late 80's. There have been Honda guys making 1000 hp with even less than 2 liters. Spikey? Sure, but if you can drive it, the power is there.

I know guys haven't broke 1000 hp for VR4s. There's a reason I own a Supra, not the smallest reason is the '91s breaking their cranks because they failed to radius the journals at the factory. Very rookie mistake for a company like Mitsu, and very expensive for them and their owners. It was enough for me to say I'll wait for the Toyota. Not to mention the viscous coupler in those things are notorious for dying with no inexpensive solution, and the gearbox parts for your Getrags are ridiculously expensive. Lots of reasons to choose a different route.

Originally posted by lo bux racer+Jan 25 2006, 08:54 PM-->QUOTE (lo bux racer @ Jan 25 2006, 08:54 PM)

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@Jan 25 2006, 06:39 PM
1000HP at the crank or the wheels?  Not to sound skeptical, but I find it a bit hard to belive that much power is coming out of a 2.0L economy designed engine; that's 250Hp per cylinder which is quite insane.  Guys haven't broken the 1000HP at the wheels for my platform (3.0L performance designed engine) yet but they are getting very close (up to nearly 900 HP at the wheels by Ray Pampena in Long Island, NY; there is approximately a 25% drivetrain loss for my vehicle type).  I don't know, perhaps it's because the Toyota engines were more widely use and have much more aftermarket support that will allow them to build that much power.  Or, it's from a crazy large turbo that doesn't spool until 4k.  Either way, if it's real then it is very significant.

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The 3S-GTE is Toyota's "racing" engine, it was never installed in an economy car. Ever. It comes in a few flavors, some of which are not commonly available. Garden varieties are well known to make between 500 and 600 hp with the right turbo and internals.

If you don't know how to make 1000 hp with 2 liters, you're behind. F1 was doing 1500 hp out of 1.5 liters in the late 80's. There have been Honda guys making 1000 hp with even less than 2 liters. Spikey? Sure, but if you can drive it, the power is there.

I know guys haven't broke 1000 hp for VR4s. There's a reason I own a Supra, not the smallest reason is the '91s breaking their cranks because they failed to radius the journals at the factory. Very rookie mistake for a company like Mitsu, and very expensive for them and their owners. It was enough for me to say I'll wait for the Toyota. Not to mention the viscous coupler in those things are notorious for dying with no inexpensive solution, and the gearbox parts for your Getrags are ridiculously expensive. Lots of reasons to choose a different route. [/b]

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Thanks for the update on the Toyota 2.0L; I really had no idea that it had that much potential. Is that kind of power being put down with C16 or 100 octane?

As far as some of the problems with the 3/S TT cars there have been advances. For example, in 93, the engine had a 4 bolt main with forged internals which really beefed them up and has allowed them to go to the 900 AWHP mark without problems. As for the viscous coupler, there have been a few advances and they are reasonably priced considering the reletively low support for the platform. Also, the 6-speed released in '94 is much sturdier than the 5-speeds but they still have problems which I think has a lot to do with being a transverse designed tranny; the 5-speed still had better gear ratios. Also, you can buy the JDM MR gears which are much stronger and shorter than the US versions but yeild more power. One of the weakest components that Getrag could never get right was the transfer cases; those things are the most common to break once one has upgraded all the other flaws. Admittedly, the first gens are much weaker than the later models but are still decent engines. For transmission advances, the best place to find them for the 3/S at a good price is from www.supercarengineering.com. Phil, the guy who owns/operates the business, designs a lot of the stuff strictly for his habit of racing and uses the business to fund it. I do believe that there are much better platforms out there and the Supra is one of the more common ones but the car is fun as hell to drive and I love the styling and features of it.

mehh, i perfer my 300zxTT over both

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