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In a MT car you attention is on driveing alot more then AT. Since i have bought my MT tC and i have driven AT transmission vehicles since. I find my self becomeing bored while driveing and that is not good MT is better for attention to the road, yea your leg might get tierd every now and then but you know what the benefits out weigh the cost.
 

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Thanks for your reply everyone. Plissken, can I get a confirmation that the clutch is expressly covered in the warranty? I’d also be interested in knowing what kind of coverage you get.
 

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Originally posted by Chen@Oct 22 2005, 01:31 PM
Thanks for your reply everyone. Plissken, can I get a confirmation that the clutch is expressly covered in the warranty? I’d also be interested in knowing what kind of coverage you get.
yea, im not saying Jake's wrong, but I believe that Lance said that clutches are wear and tear, just like the brakes. They wont replace it. I'll try and find the post.

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Originally posted by Chen@Oct 22 2005, 01:31 PM
Thanks for your reply everyone. Plissken, can I get a confirmation that the clutch is expressly covered in the warranty? I’d also be interested in knowing what kind of coverage you get.
Are you Chinese/Asian?

Most Asian moms won't see MT as a good way to drive; they associate it with racing and high school punks (for good reasons).

Explain to her that with a MT, the driver actually PAYS more attention to the road because he has to work the car. With an AT, the driver is often distracted.

With MT, you have to shift and therefore you can't seriously engage in other things such as getting the soda that just rolled under your seat while you were changing CD and adjusting the AC at the same time.


Driving a MT makes you a smarter driver and feel more connected to what's going on around you because you THINK instead of just gunning it and braking like crazy when the light turns red.

Ps. best of all, people who can't drive stick won't ask for a test drive.
 

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You'd seriously have to beat the hell out of a clutch for it to fail during the warranty period. Unless you're driving around with it halfway engaged and slipping all the time, you're not going to do too much damage to it. So I would think (and this is just me speculating) that if a clutch fails during the warranty period, they may cover it because it's a defect in manufacturing that caused it to fail, not wear and tear.
 

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I'd just like to add that my tC was my first ever stick after driving for over eight years on autos and the clutch has held up to the abuse of my learning period without issue.

It is generally true that drivers who drive manual pay more attention to driving; it is also true that paying more attention becomes mandatory, so hopefully she does not use this flip around argument on you.

I wish it were possible for you to use the old, "manual provides better fuel mileage," argument, but with the tC's lock-up torque converter (autos), as you can see from the EPA figures, this argument isn't valid (also related to the much shorter ratios on the stick).

Another piece of the argument is that learning stick is an extreme important and useful function to be capable of, and now is a great time to learn it, with a lower cost of entry vehicle than on a more expensive car down the road (sooner or later, you are bound to get a stick, no?). She having never driven stick (well and properly) though, may not agree.

The manual transmission model is known to accelerate much quicker; being able to hit highway speed in shorter merges is a matter of safety. This is another point you may want to bring up. It is this primary reason why I am looking to increase the power of my own tC; I'm just looking for around 250hp at the wheels and no more, since that will be sufficient for me to merge as quickly as I want. I'm no street racer, and a 300hp, 400hp or greater beast would be completely wasted on me (not to mention difficult as hell to drive!).

I hope that helps...

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Ive had my Tc for about 3 weeks now, and believe me, convincing my parents about letting me get stick was well worth it.

Unfortunatly, yes many other dumbass 16 and 17 year old kids do drive horrible and therefore give us a bad rep. But once you get comftorable with stick its loads of fun. Mines in the shop and i had to drive my moms auto civc.........
I coudn't stand not having any acc. power under my foot. Carefull though, hills are a bitch and a half until you get really good clutch feel. Just make sure you practice somewhere were you won't get into an accident, then take it on the road. You really paying for it and in the end it should be your decision but i know parents don't think of it like that. Just try your best to convince them.

P.S- I thought after the first week of driving that i had made a mistake gettin manual becuase i had stalled out several times on the road and i became a bit nervous to drive it, but once you past those two first ####ty weeks, it gets a whole lot better. Good Luck with the pents.!
 

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^^Yea, you're right about giving us bad names. It was a real pain to convince my parents to LET ME purchase the manual Integra I just bought. They didnt even have to pay for it, but they were worried that I might do something stupid with it
 

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Chen -

I hope this is not too late to help... My credentials could help with your parents: I am a 50-something father who bought a Manual tC for my daughter last year. I'm a registered professional mechanical engineer (conservative, educated) who has driven many dozens of different cars for business in addition to the few personal cars I've owned since I was 15 (experienced with manuals and autos both). The cars range from sub-compact econoboxes through sport sedans/coupes, family sedans/wagons/minivans, almost muscle-cars, and monster trucks with 400 HP....

I recommend the manual for all the reasons in 1. below, and that's why I got it for my daughter.

Here's my suggestions:

1. Utilize the data the others have provided (cost less, ultimately better control, better acceleration for merging traffic, good skill to learn/know, it is much more fun, clutch IS warranted unless it shows evidence of racing, etc...). Do NOT even try to use the argument that a manual makes you pay more attention to your driving (it's true, but that takes your attention AWAY from the other things around you - and your parents, especially your dad, will know that).

2. Openly acknowledge the fact that learning a stick will take some time - in fact, it could take months before you get proficient. Also acknowledge the fact that driving in stop and go traffic will sometimes be a pain; and that stop and go traffic on inclines is a real pain. But you will learn the proper way to handle it without complaining/whining about it.

3. Agree to driving only with your father in empty parking lots until you and he get comfortable with your clutching/shifting. That training should include emergency stops and accident avoidance maneuvers (your dad can just holler out "STOP" or "TURN RIGHT" , or "DOWNSHIFT" at any time, and you need to be able to respond quickly and properly). This also needs to include some sort of "starting on an incline" training, which IS very tricky (where you can learn to use the handbrake if you need to).

4. Then you have to agree to hit the streets only with your father until he is comfortable that you can handle the clutch and shifter without taking your attention from the traffic around you (i.e., you've practiced enough that clutching and shifting are second nature - you automatically do what you need to without having to think about it).

Alternatively, you could do some research to see if there is some commercial organization in your area that teaches drivers how to use a manual transmission (advanced driver's ed?).

The bottom line is that you have to show them that you are mature enough to see their side and accept some limitations, even if they seem severe. Don't whine if they don't come to your side right away. Ask them to delay getting the car if it comes to that. You often have to give something up to get something else that you want - that's the real world for most people. Even a few months is short when compared to years of fun driving the stick.

If they relent, but you can't wait weeks or months to drive by yourself, maybe you can convince your dad to swap cars until you are "ready". Believe me, he'll have fun with it.... Good luck!
 

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^^^

What he said, very well said and I agree wholeheartedly. I remember how my dad taught me how to drive stick... ah... the memories. Was a good bonding experience and I'm sure your dad would love to teach it to you. My favorite part of learning how to drive stick is going to the steepest hill of my hometown, my dad putting on the e-brake, making me get behind the wheel, and not letting us leave that area until I could start without rolling back at all.... I believe you can still smell clutch to this day at that hill.

For me personally, I've always paid attention to my surroundings... and being more in tune with the road and what's actually happening has made me a better all-around driver. Now granted, I could be better by being more courteous and not being a general &#$%*#& driver.... but that has nothing to do with MT v AT. I drive like that either way


If you follow the steps that oldman laid out I'm sure they will come around.
 

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what i don't understand is the debate between parents and their children.


If, i was purchasing the vehicle when i was 16 or 17, I would have been able to make my own choise on transmission. Which was the case for me when i was 18. (300 VW bug). I was happy to just to be able to use my parents mustang 2 or ford granada.

If my parents were gratious enough to buy me a car I would have taken anything they thought was best. I guess I would have been able to have an opinion. In the end they are buying. I would think a kid should be happy to have a car. let alone a brand new car. Manual, automatic, who cares when it was given to you.
 
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