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I'd like the tC RS 3.0 to be a regular tC, non Spec, with a stiffer suspension, and the 268hp Camry V6. Sell it for $19,999 and you can bet that I'd be all over it like white on rice.

I don't think it would be that expensive to put that motor in that car since the V6 engine is only a $2,500ish option in the Camry.

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um, the cost involved would be substantial. it isnt as easy as just dropping in another motor. for a limited production run, the cost of creation would be greatly overshadowed by the revenue generated. sorry, but that is just completely unrealistic.

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You seem to be very knowledgeable, please elaborate how. Camry assemblylines seem to do fine with producing 4cyl and V6 models. It doesn't require an entire factory to create the same car with a different engine.

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it isnt as easy as just dropping in another motor.[/b]
Really? I don't think it's that hard. Camry assembly lines don't seem to get confused when they build a 4cyl and a V6 model.

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for a limited production run, the cost of creation would be greatly overshadowed by the revenue generated.[/b]
Scion is NOT about massive revenue. They're not going to create a whole new platform that will halt the assemblyline weeks to put in new equipment. The RS series tCs were not any harder to put together.

I don't know about you, but I have seen an assemblyline in action and they only take literally minutes to put and engine/tranny into a car.

Taking existing parts from another car is cost effective and wouldn't require further r&d.

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Now please back up your claim. This time don't just talk, walk.
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1) CARB approval.
2) NHTSA will need to crash test it again.
3) A entire new drivetrain, suspension geometry, ECU tune, etc etc etc would have to be done.

Simply put, it's not a cut and dry solution... there's a lot more that goes into it.

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thanks for getting it started, ben.

the camry was actually designed with a 4 and a 6 option. the tC is not. was not, has not been, will not be. that means all the stuff up there that our dear engineer in training stated is true, and more.
first off, you are assuming it is going to be a dream swap, that a v6 camry will just fit right in there. it wont. we have already looked into that option, and it has been dissected on here in a few threads. do a search, and find out why the very first step is going to hold you back.
that means back to the drawing board in order to make the damn thing even fit right.
then we get to tackle weight distibution issues as well. followed by needing a different transmission, and the changes in the production line to accomodate said item (new mounts at least).
is that enough, or are you looking for more reasons not to do this for a 2500 unit run.

now, let's examine your most ridiculous statement - "the RS tC's were not any harder to assemble."

are you serious? right now? you think that a few cosmetic changes and a fancy set of wheels take as much as what i have barely scratched the surface of up there?

talk, walk? son, you need to step back to crawling, or maybe just rolling over on your tummy once in a while.

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^^^ Someone had their evil wheaties this morning.

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the camry was actually designed with a 4 and a 6 option. the tC is not.
My bad, I must have missed it when you announced that you designed the car.

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So that's what Ms. Cleo told you?

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first off, you are assuming it is going to be a dream swap, that a v6 camry will just fit right in there.* it wont.* we have already looked into that option,[/b]
So I take it you are a Toyota engineer. I should congratulate you for designing such a nice car.

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Oooooh, a bunch of keyboard pushers dissecting the engineering of a car, wow, sheer genius. LOL

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then we get to tackle weight distibution issues as well.[/b]
The current tC already has horrible weight distribution of 62-38 so I don't think 50-50 was their biggest concern.

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followed by needing a different transmission, and the changes in the production line to accomodate said item (new mounts at least).*[/b]
Moving engine mounts a couple of centimeters... wow, someone find Einstein.

A couple of magazine ricers jacking off to half naked chick on import tuner magazines think they know everything about engineering and producing a car. LOL.

Get back to me when you actually learned a thing or two about automotive production.
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Or how about you learn who you are talking to?

iGod has built and helped work on several hot rods. He was born and raised with cars. He also works at one of the largest volume Scion dealerships and gets direct word from Toyota/TRD/Scion on the happenings of things, it's wise to heed his words.

Myself, I work for APR reverse engineering ECUs and currently am a Computer Engineering and Physics major with just under a year left.

lo bux racer has built several cars up, written several papers, and might as well have an engineering degree with all the knowledge he has.

What are your credentials? Wait... let me guess... you squirted them out onto the cover of the modified mag?

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enlighten me, mr walk the walk. or bite my ass, until you actually know who you are talking to around here. your posts are humorous at best, antagonistic with no knowledge backing, and completely baseless. quit licking the monitor, short bus.
for the record, that wasnt a half naked chick on an import magazine i was jacking off to. it was your brilliance that got me all worked up. or maybe it was your mom.

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